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Hitchhiker's Diary - Culture and Lessig's Free Culture
I had downloaded Lawrence Lessig's Free Culture and put a mirror copy on the A42 site here, especially in case anyone wants to download it in Costa Rica or Nicaragua. But Wonko the Sane beat me to the punch on the article. If you're not yet familiar with it, please read it, either the PDF download or the remix on Wonko's eAsylum.net site.
So far, I haven't quite finished reading it yet as I'm still scrambling. But I would like to comment on one extract, from the section on piracy:
From the book:
"All across the world, but especially in Asia and Eastern Europe, there are businesses that do nothing but take others people's copyrighted content, copy it, and sell it—all without the permission of a copyright owner. The recording industry estimates that it loses about $4.6 billion every year to physical piracy (that works out to one in three CDs sold worldwide). The MPAA estimates that it loses $3 billion annually worldwide to piracy. This is piracy plain and simple. Nothing in the argument of this book, nor in the argument that most people make when talking about the subject of this book, should draw into doubt this simple point: This piracy is wrong. ...The copy shops in Asia, by contrast, are violating Asian law. Asian law does protect foreign copyrights, and the actions of the copy shops violate that law. So the wrong of piracy that they engage in is not just a moral wrong, but a legal wrong, and not just an internationally legal wrong, but a locally legal wrong as well. True, these local rules have, in effect, been imposed upon these countries. No country can be part of the world economy and choose not to protect copyright internationally. We may have been born a pirate nation, but we will not allow any other nation to have a similar childhood."
I don't want to be too critical of Lessig's work, I just want to go off on one tangent, on how I personally see things. So I'd like to make a couple of points about this.
First of all, it's interesting that Lessig states that this is a moral wrong. Note that it wouldn't be a moral wrong if they were selling CDs of Linux or other Free Software. So I'm not sure it really is a de facto moral wrong, like stealing a bicycle. So as much as it is against my personal values to steal software, I'm not going to let him get away with calling it a moral wrong. But, it is certainly a legal wrong.
The second thing I'd like to talk about, which Lessig also states, is that these rules have been imposed from the outside, usually by trade treaties. I don't think he has delved into this part of the issue far enough; there's a lot more to it. In particular, I think it's very difficult to expect an externally imposed rule to have much effect in any given society when members of that society doesn't think something is wrong, no matter how hard it's enforced. If you are familiar with the US government's attempts to change the drug culture in the US via law enforcement, you'll know what I mean.
I don't have any personal experience in the Far Eastern cultures yet, but I have read some about it. I know that it's hard for someone from an individualist culture (like the US or the UK) to understand how someone from a group culture (like China or Latin America) thinks. And since I have lived in Costa Rica for five years, I can talk about what happened while I was there about copyrights.
From this US government document, you can read the US point of view about Costa Rica's copyright compliance:
Costa Rica's copyright law is generally adequate, but not uniformly enforced. The copyright regime was revised in 1994 to provide specific protection for computer software and in 1999 to protect integrated circuit designs. The National Assembly ratified the WIPO Copyright Treaty and the WIPO Performances and Phonograms Treaty at the end of 1999. Piracy of satellite television transmissions by the domestic cable television industry has been curtailed, but some apartment buildings and hotels, particularly in areas not served by major cable service providers, continue to engage in satellite signal piracy. Unauthorized sound recordings, videos and computer software are also widespread, although much progress has been made in reducing such practices. Video piracy, for instance, has been significantly reduced in recent years.
When this treaty was passed, there were a lot of newspaper articles about it. There was a lot of talk about how things were going to be different. But for most people, they really aren't. There have been a few big raids on businesses that were highly visible, but for the most part not much has changed. You can still walk into any copy shop with a book and have it copied and bound, usually for about half the cover price. I could tell a lot of "shocking" anecdotes about this, but that's not the point. No one feels guilty about doing this. The sense of property is, "I bought and paid for this book, so it's mine and I can do anything I want with it." The point is, it's going to take a long time for anything to happen when an external government comes in and tries to change a society by having that country's government pass a law. There has to be a feeling of conscience that something is wrong, and that takes a long time to change.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to defend piracy. As a hitchhiker, I am more concerned with making observations than trying to change things. My guess is that societies with lesser developed "morality" about "intellectual property" laws are going to embrace the concepts of Open Source faster than the societies which have more developed senses of same.
A recent article from The Economist has the following interesting observation:
Unlike rich countries, which have a huge installed base of Windows computers and billions of documents in Microsoft's fiddly file formats, most users in Asia and South America are starting with a clean slate. For a country such as China, says Sun's Mr Schwartz, the attraction of open-source software is obvious: it is cheaper, so it will reduce the incentive to get pirated software (most copies of Windows in China are fake) and thus help China improve its relations with the World Trade Organisation. Better still, it allows China to avoid being locked into a single vendor—and an American one at that.
What The Economist writer is saying is that rich countries have a lot of baggage to get rid of in "Microsoft's fiddly file formats". What I'm saying is that the problem is really a lot larger than that - the rich countries also have a lot of baggage in their cultures. It's one thing to change file formats; that can be done with a utility. There is no utility that I know of currently which can change attitudes in a person's mind. So I would predict that the US and other rich countries will be unsuccessful in imposing their laws on poorer countries because they are fighting a long-term battle which is on a direct collisions course, both with poorer countries' cultures, and with Open Source culture too. And there's not a lot you can do about that personally except "lead, follow, or get out of the way".
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Morally legal, or legally moral.
I took something slightly different away from that. I see the willing and knowledgeable breaking of a license as morally wrong, in a case where someone is profiting by it. It's unjust. If you or I write something, we have the copyright to it - this is the way it works. How we pass that along to others determines whether or not it's legal and moral.
It's a legal wrong presently, and what Lessig points out is that the legal wrong can be corrected through exercise of sovereign authority, much like the United States did in it's early years.
It's a moral wrong to take something that is not yours, and that was not given to you. This I grasp inuitively, and it's a part where many people disagree. But the point is that if I give you something, it is not immoral for you to take it. If I do not give it to you, it is immoral (I've had this discussion with RMS, with predictable results).
RMS's point, and one I agree with, is that it is immoral to license things in a way that restrict people. This I agree with. But that is legal.
The hair being split is an important one. It's immoral to take something that is not yours, and it's immoral to restrict use of something useful to someone else. But it's a moral wrong to take something that isn't given to you. And that's the point. Further, people profit from this as well. That's not fair.
Free Software and Open Source are not very different in a practical way, which is a point many people fail to grasp. With FOSS, money is not as important, but giving back to the community is. Many insane people believe that FOSS is the best thing in the world for developing nations, and this is entirely untrue. Such a perspective is a matter of switching Masters; it teaches nothing. It's only until FOSS is 'paid for' in some way - be it community, improvements or cash - then developing nations gain from FOSS. Otherwise they are simply people using a commons which they do not contribute to. Sad, but when you think about it, it's true.
I pose to you the question: Is it moral to use FOSS without giving back to the commons? ;-)
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Tough questions
I understand your dilemma. It's a fine point, and I don't see an easy answer. I'm not very well educated in law either. But I disagree. I'll talk about it a little, but I'm not going to try to convince you because whether or not you agree with me is immaterial to my goal of making people aware of cultural differences. I'm not trying to convince you that stealing software is not a crime; I'm just trying to show that stealing software is a fuzzy point that is more related to differences in cultural rather than absolute morality.
If it is always a moral wrong to take something that is not given to you, then picking up money from the sidewalk is morally wrong, whether it's a nickel or a 100 dollar bill. People who look for sunken ships at sea in the hopes of finding treasure are criminals. To take the argument to an absurd degree, my breathing is wrong because no one really gave me the air, I'm just taking it.
To say that profiting from something is not fair doesn't make sense to me either. A company making CDs of Free Software and selling them at a profit provides a useful service to the community, and they are entitled to make that profit. Another point about this: from what I've read, the Chinese government wasn't worried about companies copying proprietary software because they don't see it as wrong. The way I understood it, since the idea of private (individual) property doesn't exist in the same way it does in other countries, and these companies encouraged the proliferation of knowledge about computers in the general society, the government thought software piracy was a good thing and turned a blind eye to the practice until forced to change from the outside. Although this is not my personal culture, I can understand the point of view, accept that it exists, and even admit that it works within the context of that culture and society. Being a hitchhiker has made me a lot less judgemental of other peoples' ways over time, as different as they may be from mine.
I don't think that it is immoral to use FOSS without giving back to the commons. To me this is a slippery slope argument because you begin to define someone's worth by their abilities, so for example it becomes immoral for someone who is disabled to use FOSS because they can't give back to the community directly. I think here we have to go back to the basic motive for making FOSS in the first place, which is succinctly summarized by the authors of this paper as "I give therefore I am", and pretty much ignore what happens after that as far as morality. Certainly what the software is used for can be judged as moral or immoral, but I have a hard time judging the morality of entitlement here.
Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone of the rightness or wrongness, the morality or immorality, of what's happening. I'm simply trying to give a different point of view that will enable people to see what I perceive as a huge gap between what some people think should happen and what is really going to happen. And a great key to being able to see clearly about this is to be able to watch what other people do without too quickly judging their actions and motives as immoral.
Thanks for your thoughtful post. I want there to be a discussion about this; I may even change my mind at some point! You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about these things, and I hope that a lot of other people will, too.
Ahh, but Willy...
You see, with distributing the Free Software/Open Source, the right to do so is *given*. With proprietary software it is not.
Here's an interesting thing to consider: Wherever there's rampant software 'piracy', is there a software industry of note? Of course not, because people believe that the software is available at no cost.
Now, if the laws changed - as Lessig points out in the text, in the same chapter you refer to - by exercising their sovereignity - they could define their own legal fine points. Is it moral? Still questionable.
Unless people are given rights, they don't really have the rights, and are therefore stealing. If they do have the rights, they are not stealing. FOSS and Creative Commons give those rights.
Proprietary software doesn't. This is an important thing. Would I want my neighbours accused of piracy? No, but I also wouldn't want them to practice breaking contracts and licenses. That certainly doesn't make the world a better place. I wouldn't expect them to hono(u)r any other license then. Not even the GPL. Think about it.
If they decide not to hono(u)r a license - why use the software in the first place?
Another interesting question: If people weren't selling illegal/unlicensed copies of software, what would they be doing?
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